Legal Woes For Surrey Creep Catchers – Fraser Valley Chapter Dissapears

Fraser Valley -MARCH 11, 2017 UPDATE – Creep Catchers made news in 2016 for “exposing” pedophiles on line. The problem with their noble venture is that only the Crown can lay charges. The Creep Catchers were running the risk of convicting someone in the public court of social media. That could lead to legal problems.

It has.

The President of Surrey Creep Catchers, Ryan Laforge is being sued for defamation by an Abbotsford man, Jamie Su. It comes from a video stemming from a communication from February 6, 2017.

It alleges a conversion with an underage girl. 56,000 views later, the question arose the knowledge that the information was false or in careless disregard as to whether it was true or not.

The Abbotsford man and his business claims that the allegations created damage to his reputation. NOTE that none of the allegations have been proven in court and a statement of defense has not been filed.

Creep Catchers have boasted in the past about exposing several alleged pedophiles including a Mission School Elementary School Principal and a Surrey Mountie.

The problem with the latter was that another officer was named.

While the Surrey Creep Catcher Facebook page remains active, the Fraser Valley Chapter have shut down their page. No reason has been given for that action.

OCTOBER 22, 2016 ORIGINAL STORY/EDITORIAL – After a high profile arrest of a Surrey RCMP officer, on allegations of child luring and sexual exploitation, the group that took video of a sting operation, Creep Catchers, have expanded from Surrey to the Fraser Valley, now based in Abbotsford.

(The Surrey Officer is not only facing charges, he has been suspended by the force.)

The Fraser Valley Chapter of Creep Catchers now has their logo and Facebook page up and running and made an impact in Chilliwack.

Recently, (October 7) 67-year-old  Don Putt of Chilliwack showed up at the McDonald’s restaurant in Vedder Crossing, expecting to meet a 12-year-old boy.

After meeting up with who he thought was the boy, instead was met by members of Creep Catchers and was video taped.

He now faces one count of communicating to lure a child under the age of 14, and one count of sexual interference from July 1, 1985 in Agassiz.

Chilliwack RCMP are in a similar conundrum as their Surrey counterparts.

While charges have been laid, is this not an issue for Police to work through and not an independent organization with “no formal policing skills”?

For the record, Chilliwack RCMP would not release any of the details on the case after the alleged encounter.

It was posted on Facebook by the Creep Catchers.  Putt’s name did appear on the docket at the Chilliwack Law Courts this past week.

(Surrey RCMP were hesitant to comment on their case/situation.)

In this day of a camera with every electronic device on the streets, is this an infringement of any kind? Is there a concern about being found guilty before a trial, and presumed innocent unless convicted in a court of law?

Was George Orwell right about Big Brother in 1984?

Marshall McLuhan was right….the medium is the message…..

 

1 Comment on "Legal Woes For Surrey Creep Catchers – Fraser Valley Chapter Dissapears"

  1. We are never going to see convictions out of this movement. Never.

    Creep catchers have built a legal loophole into their standard operating procedure that allows any true predator a valid legal defense.

    Creep catchers go into adult dating sites, create a false profile of an adult, use pics of adults on their profile and present themselves as 18+. That’s the BAIT. Then, once the target has established communication, they “confess” to being a minor. That’s the SWITCH.

    The problem is, in order to convict someone of child luring the prosecution must be able to demonstrate they knew they were talking to a child. The bait and switch introduces a valid element of doubt — ‘She said she was 18, then she said she was 15.’

    You can be certain that the lawyers for the sheriff and police officer — the two lone people who have actually been charged, out of hundreds — will be relying on the doubt of the bait and switch as a legal defense for their clients.

    This is part of the reason creep catchers has contributed to ZERO convictions in spite of being in operation for more than a year and boasting of catching hundreds of creeps.

    IF we see a charge stick in either of those two cases it will only be because police MIGHT have gotten a search warrant to seize computers, etc. BEFORE either of those individuals were able to go home and dump it. And that’s assuming they actually are guilty. They might not be.

    For example, that police officer might have been there to pick up a pizza. He might have been set-up. We can’t know. But hopefully a proper investigation will discover as much and establish their guilt or innocence one way or the other.

    A second concern with the creep catcher approach is all those chat logs from those hundreds of catches. These are being posted online where I am sure any true predator is carefully studying them so they can learn to spot the flags.

    Not only does this make it more difficult for police or parents to ever catch them the first time, it allows them to hone their predatory skills so they can escape detection.

    Creep catchers are literally providing predators with a free online course so they can become BETTER predators.

    Question: How does this make it safer for vulnerable teens?

    Answer: It doesn’t.

    Here’s the rub: Creep catchers are not going to give up the ‘bait and switch’. They can’t. It’s what allows them to operate.

    They CAN’T go into children’s or teen’s sites to pose as children or teens because they would then be guilty of child luring themselves.

    Their only option is to go into adult sites and pull the bait and switch.

    This is why we will NEVER see convictions out of this movement. We will only see predators that have been trained to become better predators.

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